Re: [BKARTS] attaching muslin to vellum pages

[Chad Pastotnik <chad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Bill, Aaron & others who have replied,

First off, thank you very much for the head scratching and suggestions.

I'm pretty sure that any sort of full coverage adhesion would cockle  
the vellum over time with the different materials and humidity (I'm  
in Michigan as is the end customer). At this point I'm inclined to  
try mounting via hinges around the perimeter of the paintings as one  
would mount a heavy piece of paper for framing. This was suggested to  
me by Charles at L.A. Book Arts. I'd use a long fibered Japanese  
paper for the hinge and apply it with a PVA mix to the muslin then  
the BEVA or similar product to attach to the vellum. Obviously if  
BEVA were used the hinges would have to be applied first because of  
the ironing procedure. Charles suggested a hide glue I can make from  
the scrap vellum might be the answer as well.

I talked to the artist and he used oil paint, just looks like  
acrylic, but he did use acrylic gesso to prime the muslin. Do I still  
need to consider interleaving to reduce the possibilities of adhesion  
to the vellum? I know in an ideal world such a thing would be but I'm  
guessing these books will get very little handling.

I've got plenty of edge scrap from the vellum so I'm going to try a  
few things and will definitely try the BEVA especially if I can get a  
sample.

I'm still open to ideas, I'm not fully convinced that paper hinges  
are the ultimate.

Chad
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Chad Pastotnik
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On Feb 15, 2008, at 5:29 PM, William Minter wrote:

> Aaron,
> I am out on that same limb with you.
> I am not suggesting that BEVA would be the problem over a large  
> area. However, I am suggesting that the heat for application could  
> cause a problem with the vellum. I have witnessed the affect of  
> heat on vellum when a framer tried to dry-mount a certificate ---  
> the vellum shriveled up. Maybe the temperatures for dry-mounting  
> are much higher than that needed for BEVA.
> As to my suggestion of using PVA for an inlay: The amount of  
> adhesive that would be used would only be along the edges to adhere  
> the inlaid painting. Conservators of vellum manuscripts would  
> typically use gelatin for similar work.
> Again, I am out on a limb, and I fear the limb is breaking, so I  
> will not go any further.
> Bill
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Aaron Salik wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > I am going to out on a limb here, and say that using PVA has a  
> > much greater
> > chance of adverse affects than BEVA.  The introduction of water  
> > (such as
> > with a water based adhesive such as any PVA) will cause great  
> > amounts of
> > change to the parchment, ranging from expansion and contraction,  
> > to causing
> > permanent translucency in the material.
> >
> > I will refer you to the book Conservation of Furniture, where  
> > although we do
> > not have an application to wood, the use of different types of  
> > adhesives is
> > discussed for adhering parchment.  This link will take you to pg  
> > 738 where
> > this information is conveyed.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2b79s2
> >
> > This book talks about the use of BEVA 371 solution, but the same  
> > results can
> > be achieved with the film (same product, different form), and  
> > proper control
> > of the temperature should not yield any undesirable effects.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Aaron Salik
> >
> > Talas
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> > New York, NY 10011
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