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Have any of you contacted ILL staff about this issue? I wonder if there are statistics for requests that go on and on from Library to Library searching for an actual copy. My understanding of OCLC ILL is that the records keep going from lending library to lending library until filled.
Sincerely, Jill Rosenshield
Jill Rosenshield, Associate Curator
University of Wisconsin--Madison
Dept. of Special Collections 976 Memorial Library
728 State St. Madison WI 53706-1494
608 265-2750/608 262-3243 FAX:608 265-2754
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From: cjscheiner@POL.NET
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [EXLIBRIS-L] OCLC (World Cat)
To: EXLIBRIS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Thank goodness for Harvard's committment to restore its full OCLC
> listings. How many Libraries don't have the resources to do this type
> of
> updating?
>
> So, I would like to address this short essay to the professional
> Librarians and IT specialists on the ExLibris list.
>
> As an individual who does bibliographic research and non-fiction
> writing I
> need a reference (data base) that will tell me where I can find any copy
> of the text of a specific edition of a publication, and separately a
> reference (data base) that will tell me where I can find a specific copy
> of a specific text [for example, Henley?s personal copy of VOCABULA
> AMATORIA marked up for a revised edition which never appeared].
>
> The NUC was apparently created to satisfy my first need, and its on-line
> evolution as OCLC was more accessible but less complete. The current
> incarnation as WorldCat/FirstSearch has been shown to be even less
> complete.
>
> RLIN seems to have been created to satisfy the second need, but at this
> point I don?t know what aggregating reference provides this information.
> Special title studies, such as those by Owen Gingrich and Jay Gertzman,
> give censuses of where specific copies of titles are, but not every title
> has a comprehensive study and many of these studies can not be consulted
> on line.
>
> We seem to have taken a giant step backwards at a time when computers
> and
> the Web should be making these data bases more expansive and complete
> and
> accurate and accessible. At least if an item is part of the Google Books
> program, or to a lesser degree the Gutenberg Project, then you are in
> luck. (Last night, using Google Books, I was easily able to consult, in
> under 30 minutes, from the comfort of my home computer, articles on the
> Cavallucci LEXICON that appeared in "Della illustrazione delle lingue
> antiche, e moderne e principalmente dell" .by Cesare Lucchesini - (1819),
> "Manuel du libraire et de l'amateur de livres: contenant 1o, Un nouveau"
> ... by Jacques-Charles Brunet - (1860), "Le Bibliophile belge Tome
> II"-(1845), "Bulletin du bibliophile et du bibliothécaire", J. Techener-
> (1865) and "Neuer Anzeiger für Bibliographie und Bibliothekwissenschaft"
> -(1845).
>
> So here is my wish list.
> 1. To have the entire contents of the printed NUC and Supplements as part
> of Google Books (as digital images of each page and a ?plain text?
> version) and/or a reasonably priced DVD. An advantage of Google Books
> is
> that it has a self-contained search feature for literally every title
> and
> author in its data base, within the limits of its OCR ?plain text?
> program. Who has to consult whom to make this happen?
>
> 2. Online updating of the printed NUC (ala OCLC) using the same standards
> used by the NUC. Why would not philanthropic organizations such as the
> Gates/Buffet Foundations be interested in funding this project for the
> educational betterment of the world's public?
>
> 3. Re-establishment of a separate RLIN type data base that would be an
> aggregation of the electronic catalogs of every library which follows
> standard cataloging practices AND indicates special features of its
> holdings (e.g. provenance, annotations, associations, special binding
> features, etc). in the appropriate MARC fields.
>
> Thank you for reading this and I wish you all a wonderful Holiday.
> C.J. Scheiner
> -------------------------
> > NUC (100:384) shows that Cavallucci's 1790 "Lexicon vocum quae a
> brutis..." is held only by MH (Harvard).
> > Robert Beasecker
> >>>> <cjscheiner@POL.NET> 11/21/2007 6:10 AM >>>
> > Could some one with access to the printed or microfiche version of the
> > NUC check its citation for Cavallucci's LEXICON VOCUM (1790) and tell
> > us if it indicates a holding library?
> > If it does, then perhaps we still need to consult the NUC in
> addition to
> WorldCat/FirstSearch.
> > Thank you.
> > C.J. Scheiner
> > ----------------
> >> But what really puzzles me is the situation revealed by C. J.
> >> Scheiner's recent query regarding copies of Cavallucci's LEXICON
> >> VOCUM. This comes up as another unlocated listing in FirstSearch and
> >> WorldCat even though the book being described is at Harvard
> >> (Houghton) and easily found in Hollis. Is this a fluke, or are there
> >> many other records from Harvard (or other long-standing OCLC
> >> libraries) which appear in their own online catalogues but are absent
> >> from (or unlocated in) FirstSearch?
> >> Jim Hinck
> >> www.vialibri.net